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Post by Jayda on Apr 26, 2010 20:19:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure how many of you have heard of the leftist indoctrination videos being shown to nine-year-olds in school, but it's called The Story of Stuff. It bashes capitalism, says that we'll destroy the earth - all of the leftist lies. And they're showing them to NINE-YEAR-OLDS. One kid, after seeing this, actually got scared and upset because he thought his legos would kill the earth. How wrong is this?
Finally someone came out with a critique on the Story of Stuff videos. Watch them here. They're great:
Part One:
Part Two:
Part Three:
Part Four:
They're very entertaining videos, but they're very true. Please share these with all of your family and friends!
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Post by shadow on Apr 29, 2010 20:25:22 GMT -5
you know the problem with a political topic thread on this site is that we all agree with each other
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Post by Jayda on Apr 29, 2010 21:20:54 GMT -5
Haha xD Trust me, it's MUCH better then going against hard headed, idiotic progressives and communists. They're much worse. Plus, they just bash you instead of actually staying on topic when you prove how wrong they are, because the refuse to admit it. Eh. This is better
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Post by Equinox3100 on Apr 30, 2010 10:21:47 GMT -5
Jayda is right, I am doing a debate as you all may know by now, and It is so hard to get the facts instead of going on pure opinion, I wish I could (I might win because I express my opinions without even realizing it) I might not win though because the other side is very good a getting the facts :/ I don't like academic debates/arguments.. I don't like arguments period! I like getting along with people
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Post by Jayda on Apr 30, 2010 10:36:18 GMT -5
Haha, then why are you in a debate if you going like arguments? Debating isn't supposed to be argumental. Unfortunately, the left takes it too far and makes it into an argument. Debates are supposed to be civil and, if you cannot agree in the end, you have to agree to disagree, which I actually have done with a liberal in the past. It IS possible, but it is CERTAINLY not probable xD Haha.
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Post by Equinox3100 on Apr 30, 2010 10:39:23 GMT -5
I have to do the "academic debate" for an english grade, I don't understand what in the world it has to do with english, but my teacher says that "It does you good to be able to defend your side" I just usually do what you suggested, I agree to Disagree.. :] I actually told my teacher that I don't enjoy arguing and dislike it strongly, but she told me I had to for a good grade (which is 20% of it this quarter I think)
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Post by Jayda on Apr 30, 2010 11:35:54 GMT -5
OOOHHH. Okay, that makes sense Wow. 20% of the quarter? Well, good luck! If you want facts from the right side I HIGHLY recommend reading any of Glenn Beck's books. Especially his books An Inconvenient Book and Arguing With Idiots. EVERYONE should read them! They're the best. I love them. They've helped me SOOOO much while debating!
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Post by Equinox3100 on Apr 30, 2010 16:45:19 GMT -5
Thank you, I'll check them out and I think I will definitally check out 'Arguing With Idiots' :]
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Post by shadow on Apr 30, 2010 20:20:01 GMT -5
That book is so funny
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Post by Equinox3100 on Apr 30, 2010 20:23:41 GMT -5
Of course, you read it! >_>
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xkyairax
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Post by xkyairax on May 11, 2010 20:56:28 GMT -5
we will destroy our earth if we don't take care of it! This is our home and we treat it like garbage. The world was made for us by God doesn't that give us a moral obligation to protect it? And the only thing that motivates people to change is impending doom.
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Post by Jayda on May 11, 2010 21:17:14 GMT -5
Did you watch the videos I posted? Anyway, I don't have a single thing against taking action like throwing garbage into a garbage can instead of on the ground, or carpooling and what not, and I do all of that. But the green movement is a bunch of garbage, to be quite frank Haha. And I highly doubt that God will let us "destroy the earth" before the second coming Am I wrong?
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Post by xkyairax on May 12, 2010 1:02:18 GMT -5
Did you watch the videos I posted? Anyway, I don't have a single thing against taking action like throwing garbage into a garbage can instead of on the ground, or carpooling and what not, and I do all of that. But the green movement is a bunch of garbage, to be quite frank Haha. And I highly doubt that God will let us "destroy the earth" before the second coming Am I wrong? Remember God gave us free will. I've made a lot of changes to go green. I recycle, I stopped eating meat(but that was more of a moral obligation for me), I walk instead of drive whenever I can. I don't mean destroy the earth in a literal way, I mean like if you trashed your house its not destroyed but its not a nice place to live.
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Post by Jayda on May 12, 2010 9:30:40 GMT -5
Yes, I know that. But, as you did point out, God DID give us free will, which means that no one should force someone to pay taxes for using a certain amount of gas, or force them to recycle, like the green movement and government wants to do.
Choices, as long as they're good, can be great things. But don't force someone to make a choice - it begins removes God's plan from the picture.
Did you watch the videos I posted about The Story of Stuff?
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Post by Equinox3100 on May 12, 2010 10:47:04 GMT -5
Yes, I know that. But, as you did point out, God DID give us free will, which means that no one should force someone to pay taxes for using a certain amount of gas, or force them to recycle, like the green movement and government wants to do. Choices, as long as they're good, can be great things. But don't force someone to make a choice - it begins removes God's plan from the picture. Did you watch the videos I posted about The Story of Stuff? I, personally, am not good with authority, so if someone were to tell me I HAD to recycle and pay taxes for amouts of gas (gas is already expencive without that tax crap) then I would probably have a big problem with it.. I am not a person who likes to be told what to do.. for example: some random person: "shut up, Tori" me: "okay" *doesn't say another word to that person.. or:art teacher: " Tori, I want you to make a protrait of someone, make it simple, but not too simple and use whatever media you want.. also make it realistic" me: "okay" *creates a realistic protrait of friend and puts abstract stuff in the background* I made the portrait simple and realistic and did stuff to the background because I enjoy doing art my way (by the way I got an A+ on that project) :]
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Post by xkyairax on May 12, 2010 11:16:21 GMT -5
Yes, I know that. But, as you did point out, God DID give us free will, which means that no one should force someone to pay taxes for using a certain amount of gas, or force them to recycle, like the green movement and government wants to do. Choices, as long as they're good, can be great things. But don't force someone to make a choice - it begins removes God's plan from the picture. Did you watch the videos I posted about The Story of Stuff? Yes I did. but I'm telling you that humans WILL NOT do anything unless they are forced. Yeah you get the rare one or two but for the most part, they have to be forced. The whole reason people obey laws is because they don't want to go to jail. The reason people believe in God and do good is because they don't want to go to hell. The only reason people work is so they will get payed. The only reason they pay rent is so they don't become homeless. This is what free will gets us. A great functioning nation entirely based on fear. Don't be fooled. We're not as free as you think. America(and everywhere else for that matter) is controlled by fear. God is not love God is fear. Fear and love cannot exist together. Unless you believe the "men" who abuse their wives.
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Post by Jayda on May 12, 2010 21:39:56 GMT -5
Okay, do you seriously believe all of the LDS beliefs? Because it doesn't seem like it... No offense intended.
People are not forced to do anything. They choose to do those things because there IS a consequence. There always WILL be a consequence. You choose the action, your choose the consequence, whether it be good or bad. Yes. The government is EXTREMELY out of control, on both sides, and they do use fear and lying and deceiving to get into the hearts of the people. It is not what America was supposed to become, it is not what it is entirely, and hopefully we can stop it before it becomes that entirely. Does this mean that you think there should be laws to force people to "clean up" the planet? You realize that the statistics given to us by scientists are total crap and exaggerated? Everyone on the entire planet would have to Go Green! in order to make any impact whatsoever.
How is God a God of fear and not love? Can you use scripture to tell me, please?
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Post by xkyairax on May 12, 2010 23:11:08 GMT -5
Okay, do you seriously believe all of the LDS beliefs? Because it doesn't seem like it... No offense intended. People are not forced to do anything. They choose to do those things because there IS a consequence. There always WILL be a consequence. You choose the action, your choose the consequence, whether it be good or bad. Yes. The government is EXTREMELY out of control, on both sides, and they do use fear and lying and deceiving to get into the hearts of the people. It is not what America was supposed to become, it is not what it is entirely, and hopefully we can stop it before it becomes that entirely. Does this mean that you think there should be laws to force people to "clean up" the planet? You realize that the statistics given to us by scientists are total crap and exaggerated? Everyone on the entire planet would have to Go Green! in order to make any impact whatsoever. How is God a God of fear and not love? Can you use scripture to tell me, please? It takes a lot more than that to offend me. And I have my own ideas and beliefs about most things. Do you considering yourself God-fearing? Because if you do, you have answered your own question.
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Post by Jayda on May 13, 2010 8:59:56 GMT -5
Okay, good.
Then you aren't exactly LDS like you told us. Am I wrong?
Not entirely. I mean, I "fear" my parents to an extent, but I don't fear them like I fear my phobias, or evil, or terrorists. That is entirely a different "fear" within itself.
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Post by Equinox3100 on May 13, 2010 11:31:37 GMT -5
Not entirely. I mean, I "fear" my parents to an extent, but I don't fear them like I fear my phobias, or evil, or terrorists. That is entirely a different "fear" within itself. I know what you're talking about, I fear my mom.. like the fear of doing something to lose her trust or to where she would have to disipline me and I fear that God will leave me.. I fear spiders and terrorists for the fact that it might kill me..
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Post by Equinox3100 on May 13, 2010 11:33:57 GMT -5
I think that pretty much you need to do spirritually what you do physically.. work hard to get something you want.. if you want to get into a good college then you have to work to get good grades, if you want a good job, you have to work hard in college and learn more about a major.. If you want to get into a kingdom (depending on how hard you work) then that's exactly what you have to do: work hard to follow God's commandments.. If you do not deserve to be in a kingdom then you will not be in one..
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Post by Jayda on May 13, 2010 11:48:38 GMT -5
Exactly! Thank you
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Post by Equinox3100 on May 13, 2010 12:03:21 GMT -5
you're welcome.. I don't know everything about the LDS religion, but I got that from the lessons the missionaries taught..
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Post by Jayda on May 13, 2010 12:13:42 GMT -5
It's very true I can't remember, are you a member yet? Sorry - my memory is horrible!
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Post by xkyairax on May 13, 2010 12:46:28 GMT -5
Okay, good. Then you aren't exactly LDS like you told us. Am I wrong? Not entirely. I mean, I "fear" my parents to an extent, but I don't fear them like I fear my phobias, or evil, or terrorists. That is entirely a different "fear" within itself. Well I'm a member. I mean its kinda like if your jewish regardless of weather you practice it. But who knows really. I go to church and all that jazz. I'm just not as Conservative as most of you. Thats really the only difference I see. I just think most religions say that fear is the heart of faith. And I don't agree with that. To be honest it gets hard to believe in a church that doesn't want me to be apart of it(wether they know it or not)
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Post by Jayda on May 13, 2010 14:08:00 GMT -5
I'm still very confused on what you believe. You go to church as an LDS member, but you don't believe in everything in church?
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Post by shadow on May 13, 2010 17:08:07 GMT -5
Okay, good. Then you aren't exactly LDS like you told us. Am I wrong? Not entirely. I mean, I "fear" my parents to an extent, but I don't fear them like I fear my phobias, or evil, or terrorists. That is entirely a different "fear" within itself. Well I'm a member. I mean its kinda like if your jewish regardless of weather you practice it. But who knows really. I go to church and all that jazz. I'm just not as Conservative as most of you. Thats really the only difference I see. I just think most religions say that fear is the heart of faith. And I don't agree with that. To be honest it gets hard to believe in a church that doesn't want me to be apart of it(wether they know it or not) Finally an acutal debate! lol sry ;D first off welcome to MTW an I think your confused about some things in our church. Faith isnt based on fear, thats a false teaching. Faith is a belief of something unknown but true, after your faith has been tested it will turn into knowladge. And the church is a path made by God to get back to him, And i think he wants everyone back.
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Post by Equinox3100 on May 14, 2010 10:41:02 GMT -5
It's very true I can't remember, are you a member yet? Sorry - my memory is horrible! at first I thought you were talking to xkyairax, then I realized you were talking to me.. I actually never established whether I was a member or not yet and yes I am, I was baptized October 26th, 2008 :]
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Post by Jayda on May 14, 2010 14:00:02 GMT -5
YAY! That's fantastic
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Post by Equinox3100 on May 14, 2010 22:24:07 GMT -5
^-^ it is! how long have you been a member if you are..?
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