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Post by Michael on Feb 19, 2010 1:33:47 GMT -5
Please.... my friend.... Daniel Webb... the guy I told you about.... before.... who lives in FL.. the friend with the girl who been raped etc.. and he had some probs in his life.. well he wants to end it..
[21:57] Mule: dude [21:57] Mule: i might not be around anymore [21:57] Ðëåcon: Not even on fb?? [21:58] Mule: nowhere [21:58] Ðëåcon: Why? [21:58] Mule: im tired of it all [21:58] Mule: and am done [21:58] Mule: and im serious [21:58] Mule: no joking [21:58] Ðëåcon: Your.. uhh not talking about it, are you? [21:58] Mule: no..im not talkin [21:58] Mule: my mind has been made up [21:59] Ðëåcon: But [21:59] Ðëåcon: Plz don't. [21:59] Mule: y? [21:59] Mule: y does it matter? [21:59] Mule: no one effin cares [21:59] Ðëåcon: Don't kill yourself. [21:59] Mule: i dotn have any friend [21:59] Mule: s [21:59] Mule: i sit here all the time and do nothin [21:59] Mule: cuz no one cares [21:59] Mule: im done [21:59] Mule: even that girl fudge on me [22:00] Ðëåcon: Plz... I'm there for you. [22:00] Ðëåcon: Just... tell me what happend with you and her.... if you want to share.. if not it's fine. [22:01] Mule: she told me she loved me...swore that she was mine...and then went and ditched me for another guy [22:01] Mule: like every other gf i've had [22:02] Ðëåcon: Listen, it's a hard world... Sometimes I don't even like it. girls done that to me before too. [22:02] Mule: im not gonna deal with it anymore [22:03] Mule: my "friends" cant find time to even talk to me [22:03] Mule: not even my brother can [22:04] Ðëåcon: I know what you mean by "Friends" for years I was alone... sat by myself.... even tho kids my age came and sat down with me.. it didn't meant anything to them... they probly just did it to look like a good person. [22:05] Mule: my friends at church dont care either [22:05] Mule: im never included in anything [22:05] Mule: and they ignore me [22:05] Mule: im serious man [22:05] Mule: im done with it all [22:05] Mule: i've been hurt to the limit [22:05] Mule: and i dont want to live anymore [22:05] Mule: ever [22:06] Ðëåcon: Daniel, plz I'm begging.. don't do it [22:06] Mule: we'll see [22:06] Mule: im goin now though [22:06] Mule: peace [22:06] Ðëåcon: Wait [22:07] Ðëåcon: I still been praying for you.... never stop it... and never will. [22:07] Mule: thanks [22:07] Mule: means alot.. [22:07] Mule: but when i cant even rely on my pastor.. [22:07] Mule: i know that my church and freinds and family are worthless [22:07] Mule: night and peace [22:08] Ðëåcon: I will pray... I will never stop for you... good night.
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Post by Sayari's other half on Feb 19, 2010 2:03:17 GMT -5
I'm so sorry to hear this Michael!I've also had an experience like this,where he person wants to end it.The most important thing is to let them know that you are there for the and maybe help them sort out their lives.You could also suggest that they see someone.
Show him that if the person left him..they're not worth dying over.And show him that maybe his family doesn't know how to handle him/his situation.And if his friends don't include him in anything..he should include himself.The way you get a friends is by being a friend.
Remember that no one really wants to die.Even if they are desperately unhappy,what they really want is for someone to help them.Maye you could invite him to come to church with you,or take him to Youth.
I hope everything gets better soon!I will pray for you and your friend!
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Post by Michael on Feb 19, 2010 2:13:53 GMT -5
Well... only one prob... I live in WA.. he lives in FL....
His family doesn't even care about him.. when he turned 19 not that long ago... he didn't got a cake.... not even a single "Happy birthday"
Okay.. his family would do better without him in his mind and probly theirs...
I... want to help him out so badly.. my eyes hurt from crying....
If only I had a cell phone... he asked for my number before.... one good reason WHY I need a cell phone.....................
I guess... the only thing I can do is wait.. untill he gets online.... which he will probly not.... you read what he said...
From what he told me.. his dad beat him a lot... he.. wanted so much to get out of that place.... he doesn't care about life anymore...
I can't do anything.
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Post by hockeydude on Feb 21, 2010 0:14:25 GMT -5
If the situation turns from bad to worse, just remember, it's not your fault. Seriously, remember that for me.
To me, this is a cry for help. My friend who committed suicide did this a number of times and never went through with it. It was the one time that he told nobody that it actually happened. Not to say not to take it seriously, but this is a last resort way of seeing who cares for him. And if you know his parents or any siblings, you need to call them and get them to act. Now.
There's not a lot you can do here though man. I feel for you, man, but whatever happens it's not your fault (unless he changes his mind, then you really did cause an impact).
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Post by Michael on Feb 21, 2010 13:12:25 GMT -5
I think he changed his mind.. he been posting stuff on fb again. he seems okay
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Post by ldsgirl Aka Sayari on Feb 22, 2010 8:57:40 GMT -5
I think he changed his mind.. he been posting stuff on fb again. he seems okay That's encouraging, but he still needs counseling!
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Post by Michael on Feb 23, 2010 1:06:05 GMT -5
Okay.. tonight he was on facebook.. we talked.. he said he tried to kill himself on Tuseday.. his mother walked in told him she was home and he stop what he was doing and she didn't notice.. he wants to try again soon.. without anyone around
I called the hot-line for things like this. they said the best thing I can do is send a msg to a family memeber of his.. I told them how I live in WA and his in FL..
Everyone please pray tonight.
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Post by hockeydude on Feb 23, 2010 1:40:16 GMT -5
Not a good sign there.
Just out of curiosity. What is your connection with Dan again? Because even if you have to pay for the long distance I think the call is worth it. Even if you don't know the family. The worth of every soul, particularly that of a friend's, is light years beyond what you'll have to pay for long distance service.
If the hot-line backed up what I said earlier than I think it's a key method of action. I'd call first thing tomorrow.
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Post by Michael on Feb 23, 2010 13:41:17 GMT -5
I called the hot-line.. they told me the best thing I can do is to send a family memeber of his a msg on fb.
I can't tell you guys what our connection is becuse I can't think now.. my dad just got fired from his job.. wow isn't life great?
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Post by shadow on Feb 23, 2010 15:41:36 GMT -5
We were never told that life would be easy, only worth it. Thats something Ive had to remind my self over and over again, so long as you have Faith in Christ and obey his commandments then everything will turn out fine, for all we know maby your dad was fired so he can get a better job. As for your friend I cant say much more than what others have allready said.
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Post by Michael on Feb 23, 2010 19:22:44 GMT -5
Do any of you think... if someone kill theirslevs.. they go to live with God?.. or go to Hell... cuz they took their life.
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Post by Jayda on Feb 23, 2010 20:51:56 GMT -5
Okay, first of all, I'm sorry that you and your friend are going through this. I'll just quote Erik's post on another thread to answer your question. It explains it well Andrew, from what I've read on the subject, suicide is definitely a sin, yet it is not "unpardonable" so I'm certain that one is not cast out of God's Kingdom because of it. Even murder, which is the "unforgivable" sin [D&C 42:18-19] does not condemn someone to OD, unless they also commit the "unpardonable" sin... Who will go to Outer Darkness? It is the exile for those who have denied the Holy Ghost after having an undeniable witness. The 1/3 of the host of heaven who rejected Christ's plan resides in OD. The people who die in their sins and refuse to repent of them even though they have a knowledge of God will also be cast out.
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Post by hockeydude on Feb 23, 2010 21:10:52 GMT -5
Do any of you think... if someone kill theirslevs.. they go to live with God?.. or go to Hell... cuz they took their life. When you say "cuz they took their life" are you being hypothetical or did your friend really end his life? If he hasn't I agree with the hotline. Get in contact with the family somehow. Every second spent waiting is a dangerous one. They're not going to be critical towards you if you're trying to tell them your friend is having suicidal thoughts.
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Post by Michael on Feb 24, 2010 0:35:23 GMT -5
No, as far as I know his still alive. I sent a msg to his grandmother and to his older brother. I hope they get them in time. One of the leaders who was in my group at efy.. she told me if no one reply by Tursday to send more msgs to other family memebers. I still remember everything from the cal to the hot-line.. at first the guy said he couldn't understand me lol... crying + stuttering doesn't go so well .. I told him how we knew each other and explain everything.. then the guy said something like "Your friend trush you a lot" I began to cry at thoes words...
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Post by Michael on Feb 24, 2010 0:46:45 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity. What is your connection with Dan again? Because even if you have to pay for the long distance I think the call is worth it. Even if you don't know the family. The worth of every soul, particularly that of a friend's, is light years beyond what you'll have to pay for long distance service. We were in the same clan in cod2.. call of duty 2 ppl got mad at him and left him as friends.. I stayed with him and got to know him more etc.. So we added each other on facebook later on. To him i'm the only person who cares for him in life.. his new girlfriend broke up with him after she told him she loved him and would never walk off, by that night he told me his done in life.. can't take it anymore. (The girl wasn't all of his reasons tho).
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Post by Michael on Feb 24, 2010 1:10:58 GMT -5
How many have you heard of the song "Gloomy sunday" it have killed many... many ppl.
My friend says that its the only thing I listen to now, it's a part of my soul.
Song:
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Post by Michael on Feb 26, 2010 3:25:58 GMT -5
Looks like his doing better.... not 100% sure yet.. but I think I helped him out by talking to him
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Post by begood2 on Feb 26, 2010 15:57:07 GMT -5
I think that you helped him!
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Post by hockeydude on Feb 26, 2010 16:38:53 GMT -5
That's what I like to hear. First off with sending the message you added a new world of security to the situation. If immediate family knows what he's up to they're going to do whatever it takes to stop it. And if you're talking him out of it that's even better. Looks like you saved a friend.
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Post by Michael on Feb 26, 2010 18:54:27 GMT -5
Yes or a life...
What if he gets mad at me for telling someone like in his family?
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Post by hockeydude on Feb 26, 2010 19:23:16 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if he's pretty ticked off at first. Committing suicide isn't generally something you want others to know about (even though in this case he decided to tell you, which leads me to believe he was never really going to do it). But you did it because you care about him, not so you could point and laugh about it. And I think he'll come to realize that. He's going to be annoyed, that's for sure. His parents and everyone around him are going to watch him like a time-bomb if they find out. But that's a consequence that he needs and that will benefit him in the long run. When he knows that people are watching him and suicide isn't really an option, he'll look more towards solving his problems, the better approach. And in the end, I believe he'll thank you with his full heart. And if he was telling you he was going to kill himself without meaning it, it's his fault.
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Post by Michael on Feb 26, 2010 19:29:48 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if he's pretty ticked off at first. Committing suicide isn't generally something you want others to know about (even though in this case he decided to tell you, which leads me to believe he was never really going to do it). But you did it because you care about him, not so you could point and laugh about it. And I think he'll come to realize that. He's going to be annoyed, that's for sure. His parents and everyone around him are going to watch him like a time-bomb if they find out. But that's a consequence that he needs and that will benefit him in the long run. When he knows that people are watching him and suicide isn't really an option, he'll look more towards solving his problems, the better approach. And in the end, I believe he'll thank you with his full heart. And if he was telling you he was going to kill himself without meaning it, it's his fault. Thanks!, you explained a lot that helped me out
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Post by Michael on Mar 1, 2010 18:46:41 GMT -5
I got word from his brother!
Well, some things just don't sound right. I am keeping an eye on him. Not sure if he is blowing off steam or what but his mood changes daily. He cant say i dont listen or see him. So, just keep being that friend that he needs. Write again if you feal you should. Thnaks, Jason
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Post by Erik Slack on Mar 2, 2010 21:33:07 GMT -5
Michael,
You have a very kind heart, never give that up!
Beware! It is impossible to judge someone else's authenticity based solely upon contact over the internet...be careful about how much info. you give up to try to help your friend. There are a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing out there...
Another scenario to consider is that Daniel might be certifiably unstable or depressed in both cases he needs therapy and probably medication too. It's worse for some than others, but the more serious it is the less you can do as a friend to help them.
Anyway, it's great that you're trying to help this kid, Mike. Keep your spirits high, you help more than you know.
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Post by Michael on Mar 2, 2010 23:27:50 GMT -5
Thank Erik, I been praying still haven't stop.
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Post by Michael on Mar 4, 2010 22:24:04 GMT -5
Good news. I'm talking to him on fb right now and I asked how his doing and he said "Aweomse" his working in a baseball team.. so that's helping him too. I think I saved a life... and a friend
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Post by Michael on Apr 8, 2010 13:34:04 GMT -5
Guys, last night he told me he tried it again, please pray for him!, I never stop praying for him when he first told me his life was sucky, before he told me he wanted to end it. and that was like 5months ago.
Please pray.. fast if you want, I just don't want him to do it. I told him I been praying 5months ago and he said thanks.. it really mean a lot to him that I been doing what I done.. just again please pray
;( idk what else to do
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Post by Equinox3100 on Apr 19, 2010 17:28:32 GMT -5
There is nothing you can do but to pray, this reminds me so much about something that happened here in Ky, happened the exact same way...
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Post by Michael on Apr 19, 2010 21:01:07 GMT -5
Okay, I will keep praying, never stop.. let hope it work
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Post by Equinox3100 on Jun 2, 2010 10:21:25 GMT -5
I hope it works as well :] let me know what happens..
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